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** Abused Scriptures **
Go to: Go to: Return to Sodom
What was the "Sin of Sodom"?Go to: Hey Jude!
An in depth study of Genesis 18 and 19
For an Orthodox Jewish Look at the Sodom Question See: What Was the Sin of Sodom?
"In the words of the Talmud: "The men of Sodom were corrupted only on account of the good which G-d had lavished upon them... "
A look at Jude Seven
Go to: Romans One
An in depth study of this often misquoted sectionGo to: I Corinthians 6:9
An in depth study of I Corinthians 6:9 as well as I Timothy 1:10Go to: Leviticus 20:13, 14
An in depth study of Leviticus 20:13, 14Go to: Eunuchs for the Kingdom
"Some are born Eunuchs..."
** GLBT Christian Issues **Go to: Is God Like My Father?
Reevaluating the idea of "God the Father."Go to: Is This Good News? YES!
Advent 1998 sermon. The Gospel is "Good News" for sexual minorities as well!Go to: Hate Crimes and Jesus
Is it Christian to hate? Some say yes!Go to: The Death of Jesse Dirkhising
A conversation with Robert R. Larimer Jr
Go to: What I learned at Star Wars Episode One.
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Go to: A frank conversation about the Bible and homosexuality
And how anti-gay Christians should respond.Go to: How to Trap God
Understanding The Prayer That Jesus Taught UsGo to: Lavender Ashes
My Ash Wednesday 1999 sermon
** GLBT Biblical Heros **Go to: Go to: Jonathan and David
An inspiring Biblical account of same gender Love
** Grace Inclusive Church **The name of our Santa Cruz congregation, Grace Inclusive Church,
reflects key principles of what we believe. In the next three studies
I discuss our name and explain our Christian beliefs.
Go to: Grace: Its Free, But It Ain't Cheap!
Go to: Inclusive: A Rainbow of Christian Diversity.
Go to: Church: Does it Matter What You Believe?
Go to: What We Believe
Go to: Our Mission and Vision Statements
Go to The Historic Creeds of the Christian Faith
- The Nicene Creed
More to Come
Go to I Believe in Elohim
A new version of the historic Creeds
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I grew up in a Missionary Baptist Church in North Georgia. After certain experiences I left the Christian faith and continued my quest for the One elsewhere. In time I realized I had 'thrown the baby out with the bathwater' so to speak, and so returned to Christianity at various points along the way. One of these periods was during the late 1990's. At that time there was an upsurge in Church-spawned gay bashing going on, as there is today. I heard contradictory messages from many quarters of the Christian Church that left me deeply troubled. It went something like this:
"God loves everyone..."The conclusion I drew from this is that many (most?) Christians believe:
"... except of course homosexuals, God's going to torture them for eternity for loving the wrong people!"
"Oh sure, they can still repent and embrace heterosexuality and be forgiven, but unless they do this, God will have them tortured for all of eternity in the Lake of Fire and brimstone!"
But doesn't the Bible say: "For by grace are you saved, through faith, and that [i.e. that faith] not of yourself, it [i.e. the faith to be saved] is a gift of God, not of works, lest anyone might boast.(?)"
There is nothing a person can do to be saved, salvation is the absolutely free gift of God, it is not of works nor acts of righteousness that we have done etc. EXCEPT... for homosexuals. They must earn theit salvation by denying their sexual orientaion. It seems to me that anyone who can change such an innate and essential aspect of who they are in order to be saved does have something wherein to boast! They can boast, "I was saved because I had the willpower (or whatever) to become a heterosexual." And yet what does the scripture say? "... not of works lest anyone might boast.
So, what's wrong with this picture?
I'll be among the first to agree that God can require anything He wants of us! God alone is perfect and God alone has the authority to make requirements on His creation. No question there, in my mind. My question is whether or not God actually requires this herculean task of homosexuals. To date I have found NOTHING in the Scriptures to demonstrate this is required or even beneficial.
In the studies on this web page I have covered all the scriptures I am familiar with that Christians commonly use to add this requirement on the GLBT community. If there are others verses I should consider or if you would just like to discuss this topic, drop me a line!
Homosexuality has existed since the beginning of time as far as anyone knows. Throughout the ages different religions have dealt with it in diverse ways. Many of the early religions had no problems with it. Native American tribes and others tended to celebrate the homosexual orientation as reflecting a dual spirit, an innate spiritual connection with the Divine as they conceived the One, often surpassing that of their one-spirit peers.
The Bible is the final authority for Christians and it should be the source of Christian doctrine and nowhere does the Bible condemn monogamous same gender relationships. Rather, the hatred and prejudices being espoused by many Christian leaders like Jerry Falwell, Beverly Lahey, Fred Phelps and others comes from their own innate prejudices and lack of Christian love (I John 4:7-10) and not from the Bible. Such prejudices espoused in God's Name are driving thousands upon thousands of people away from God. This is not good because Jesus came to draw everyone to God, not to cast them aside (comp. Luke 12:8)!
I'm not curently involved with any church or religious body, which doesn't mean my faith has failed me, but simply that at the present moment I haven't found a spiritual community to hook up with my area. Its pretty rural and very conservative here and I don't fit in well with such folks.
As always, I'll be happy to discuss these things with all interested parties. Just contact me.
Many of you know and love Marsha Stevens (Born Again Lesbian Music), the "Mother of Contemporary Christian Music" (and her great song: "...And Jesus said, Come to the water, stand by my side, I know you are thirsty, you won't be denied...". For a few years I hosted and managed her web site here at AllFaith.com and still handle her guestbook for her. I think Marsha, who is one of the most committed Christ-like Christians it has ever been my honor to know, makes an excellent point that is applicable here. In almost every one of her Christian concerts she makes more or less the two following statements:
- "I don't think Jesus is sitting up in heaven kicking himself for giving me that song (i.e. For Those Tears I Died) and thinking, "Who knew she'd go lesbian?"
- And 2. "I tell Jesus that anytime he wants to zap me straight he is welcome to do so. So far, he hasn't!"
And again, my friend of many years Arthur Blessitt, a heterosexual man of God and probably the most devout Christian I have ever had to privilege of knowing; and possibly the most sincere Christian currently living on this planet IMHO (I'd put Marsha Stevens right up there as well). I've discussed this issue with Arthur as we carried wooden crosses on our backs preaching Jesus in Central America and elsewhere. His answer is that gays know more about being gay than he does, so he has nothing to say on the subject, he knows about Jesus and so that's what he preaches: 'Jesus Christ and Him crucified.' That's what matters. Get a person saved, love them in Christ, and let the Holy Spirit of God lead them as He wills. When you have sincere Believers who have walked with God for decades, as have many of the contemporary LGBT Christians, it is not your responsibility to change them into your image of what they should be! If your opinion is asked, share it in love. If you have sincere questions, ask them in love and with respect. If its not asked, just love them in Christ, because it is their own Master will determine if the stand or if they fall, and rest asured, God can make anyone stand!
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